Tuesday 6 May 2014

"Inhaling Stuff = Smoking"

See, this is why I love e-cigs.

The most intolerant and anti-social in society - aided by their lack of intelligence and astounding gullibility - have, for years, enjoyed the services of a tobacco control industry to provide them with clichéd 'arguments' as to why their prejudice is merited.

Now, with the advent of e-cigs, they are lost. They are woefully incapable of adapting to this new environment and are reduced to flailing around and making themselves look the utter imbeciles they have always been.

The numpties were in early and often under this Guardian article yesterday (muppets in red, the sane in green). Enjoy.
RabbitP: I don't care what it does to its addicts, but I want this thing to be banned from all the places where conventional fags are banned. We used to be told that passive smoking was harmless. Now we know otherwise. So - we're now being told that passive inhalation of the nicotine-laden steam from these objects is harmless. I remain to be convinced.
Chutzzpah: http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/12/12/study-finds-no-link-between-secondhand-smoke-and-cancer/
Atom57: I was astonished to see a woman in her late 60s grab a sneaky puff in full view of my local hospitals reception desk while i was waiting for physio, and I believe they should be banned in public places.
Blossiekins: Why should they be banned? They're not harmful, they don't smell, they're not a fire hazard? Is it because it looks like smoking a cigarette? If so, that's a pretty feeble reason. 
Novelist: Inhaling stuff = smoking. 
Finn_Nielsen: No, inhaling stuff = breathing, mostly. You should probably revise for a biology GCSE.
Hairhorn: Sigh.... and we'll have to fight the second hand smoke fight all over again.
deadcatclub: They don't produce smoke, so I doubt that. 
proudsonofduck: Are you aware that there is a difference between smoke and water vapour?
stripedone: More junk bought by hapless addicts in thrall to the corporate drug pushers. Brilliant how the tobacco industry has found a way to keep the addiction going.
scouseexile: I'd suggest you actually tried reading something about e-cigs other than newspapers, because everything in your first two sentences is wrong.
Novelist: What evidence is there that inhaling propylene glycol etc. is safe?
yesfuture: Asthma inhalers
And my personal favourite, perhaps the real reason behind all of the ignorant and smirkworthy anti-comments above.
jebjew: Takes me back to my teenage years of sitting on the school bus and having to put up with the cooler school pupils smoking in my face.
Because that seems to be what all this resurgence of Victorian lifestyle snobbery boils down to. The inadequate and anti-social desperately trying to protect their recently-acquired smugness over those who they see as having far too much fun. Now it's all getting away with vaping and they don't like it one little bit.

Happily, once these early mouth-breathers were effortlessly (and hilariously) slapped down, proper discussion from those able to debate rationally commenced.

It helps to prove none of this has never been about health, though. Just the ego-massaging of the most intolerant, gross and spoilt of the public against the majority of society who are far more accepting of free choices and aware of the fact that occasionally life is not about the world on a stick and a unicorn for Christmas.

Well, that and the protection of income streams for perennial state-funded snake oil salesman, of course.


10 comments:

westcoast2 said...

"I certainly hope that when presented with this data that they reevaluate their stance on the subject"


They have and they didn't, you would think they would. Do you think there is more to it than health and safety? They've been saying 'we don't know what's in them' for years have these 'experts'. That position has become unsustainable as more people have become aware them, yet still some persist.

Sub dic verbum said...

The anti smoking clique are not interested in any form of reasonable debate.
Their opposition is far too polite,too correct,too frightened,too respectfull,
too restrained, simply put, a waste of space.
They hide like the early disciples in closed upper rooms forgetiing the instructions to go out and seek converts
Out there in the back streets and ginnels are the lower end of society
amongst whom are the uncouth who dont understand apeasement,most have
never seen a dissenting blog,most ,given inspiration, would enjoy some live action. There is a way,but who will take it?
Ask yourself, are you an Eagle ?
or
Are you a Parrot ?

truckerlyn said...

Funny how no-one seemed to be concerned or complained about the Nicorette Inhalers that produce the same vapour! Never any outcry from the qangos about them!

Dick_Puddlecote said...

I stopped believing politicians about 6 or 7 years ago.

Michael J. McFadden said...

Novelist: What evidence is there that inhaling propylene glycol etc. is safe?

yesfuture: Asthma inhalers



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LOL! Absolutely beautiful exchange!


The whole thing is great too, but that two word comeback is priceless!

Michael J. McFadden said...

Interesting. So the one full investigation of the effect of the major ingredient of e-cig vapor in the air would indicate that walking into a pub that bans e-cigs puts you at a 65% greater risk of death from contracting a respiratory infection than walking into one where e-cigs are allowed.


Sounds like a sound basis for mandatory vaping in pubs to me! No owners allowed to ban them under penalty of law!


LOL!


:>
MJM

Michael J. McFadden said...

JD wrote, "I certainly hope that when presented with this data that they reevaluate their stance on the subject"

and West wrote: "They have and they didn't, you would think they would. Do you think there is more to it than health and safety?"



Data? LOL! What on earth does data have to do with antismoking stances?


- MJM

Lisabelle said...

The also award high school students and enlist kids to further their ambitious evil.... http://1.usa.gov/1gSa1FE Study of third hand nicotine from e-cigarette exposure wins top NIH Addiction Science Award Edit

John Davidson Jr said...

Cant wait for the nicotine inhalers....................

In 2008 this paper was produced in America and concludes that nictotine and hence active smoking and passive smoking leads to less asthma. It also gives the aetiology (causation) why nicotine and the biologial process that reduces asthma in recipients.

The results unequivocally show that, even after multiple allergen sensitizations, nicotine dramatically suppresses inflammatory/allergic parameters in the lung including the following: eosinophilic/lymphocytic emigration; mRNA and/or protein expression of the Th2 cytokines/chemokines IL-4, IL-5, IL-13, IL-25, and eotaxin; leukotriene C4; and total as well as allergen-specific IgE. unequivocally show that, even after multiple allergen sensitizations, nicotine dramatically suppresses inflammatory/allergic parameters in the lung including the following: eosinophilic/lymphocytic emigration; mRNA and/or protein expression of the Th2 cytokines/chemokines IL-4, IL-5, IL-13, IL-25, and eotaxin; leukotriene C4; and total as well as allergen-specific IgE. ”

http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/a...
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Michael J. McFadden said...

Interesting paper! :) Great catch JD! Thanks!

Suggestion for communicating it for better response though: Clip it and use a tinyURL. Like this:

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This 2008 Journal of Immunology study concluded that nicotine (and hence active smoking and passive smoking) leads to less asthma. It also explained the biological process of how nicotine reduces asthma in recipients. It unequivocally shows that, even after multiple allergen sensitizations, nicotine dramatically suppresses inflammatory/allergic parameters in the lung. See: http://tinyurl.com/NicotineAsthmaStudy



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Keep study refs and explanations as short and simple as possible and they'll read them. And the link is there for anyone who doesn't believe it or wants to argue the science.


:)
MJM